Following are Fact-Points regarding Martin Grossman – Why he should get Clemency instead of being executed on Feb 16, 2010 6:00 PM EST, for a crime he committed approximately 25 years ago, while intoxicated at age 19.
1) At age 15, Martin’s father passed away. Martin was the one needed to take care for his challenged Mom, rather than the other way around. In addition, Martin had little family around him. Result? A youngster who was ripe to get into trouble roamed the streets of Florida.
2) When Martin killed the 26-year-old Wildlife officer in the woods, he was under the influence of contraband drugs and/or he drank alcohol shortly after taking medicine for his mental challenges. Either way, he was NOT in a state of stable-mind to control everything he did or shouldn’t do at that time.
3) In addition to point two, Martin has an IQ of 77.
4) Martin did NOT shoot the officer in cold blood. Instead, because he was on probation, he pleaded with her that she not arrests him. She went on trying to arrest him. Things got out of hand, which took the life of Ms. Parks.
5) Some people wonder, if Martin was not in a stable state of mind, in addition to having a low IQ, how did he know that Ms. Parks may cost him trouble? Well, small-minded and deranged people understand that walking off a roof-top isn’t exactly a good idea. Sensing danger is what Under Influence people detect.
6) It appears criminal that Martin was on probation, however be aware of the fact that his crime was a stupid burglary, committed when he was age seventeen, a Juvenile without parents.
7) The MAIN reason prosecutors treated the Martin/Parks case as a first degree murder and in-turn requested the ultimate penalty, is due to Martin’s probation. As a result, prosecutors were able to claim that the Parks killing took place during a crime in progress. However, as indicated above, the “crime in progress” was Martin’s violating probation for a burglary he committed as a juvenile… (No one is advocating that burglary is not a crime. However, we would not want that a person should lose their life based on a burglary either…)
) Martin did NOT have proper legal nor biological (family) representation at the time, thus permitting the prosecutors to have a free ride with this case.
9) The crime was done 25 years ago. While time does not take away the fact that the Parks family had pain all those years, executing Grossman at the scheduled time will not serve justice, considering that the calm, well-behaving, staying-away-from-trouble, repentant, grown-man, at age 44 in 2010 who never had a chance of a normal lovable life, is NOT the same person as the lost, 19 year-old, orphan who turned to alcohol and/or drugs to forget of his pains. The death penalty by NO MEANS is intended for such circumstances!
10) Justice waited more than 9,125 days (25-plus years) to finally get its day. Therefore, can justice wait maybe just another 60-90 more days to give those caring for Martin a chance to explore all legal avenues availble?
We all ask and plea that YES should be the answer.
Btw, read here the e-mail I sent January 25 to the Governor.
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It looks very good!
By: rack on 02/10/2010
at 2:22 pm
Taking away a life of a person will not bring the other 1 back ,just the opposite ,this will brake 2 familys
& 2) its not like u took of something bed from the street
So please save a life of a inicent ¬ the most healty person
By: eli rigal on 02/10/2010
at 2:25 pm
Wow @YossiGestetner this article is 1 of the Trending Topics on Twitter Search #FLJew u’ll find this 100′s of times:
10 Reasons #FLJew Should NOT be KILLED! to Governor @CharlieCristFL. http://bit.ly/9LpKtK – Pls Fwd to 40404
By: KJPS on 02/11/2010
at 1:56 am
we are all pro this 10 commonds
By: jack on 02/11/2010
at 11:21 am
lets be real here…
If mr. grossman was not jewish, none of you would give a s… if he was executed. all of you are a bunch of phonies… Yossi u are a sellout! “He has an IQ of 77″… “he was under the influence of drugs” Everything is a f…..g excuse!
Hopefully Crist will not cater to the radical left in Florida and execute this animal…
By: kg on 02/11/2010
at 3:37 pm
If he was of your family what would you say then? Look at the truth in reasoning, regardless of why it’s said. Truth is truth and facts are facts even if you’re saying it because you’re a Yid with a heart. Anything wrong with a defence lawyer? Your language seems to suggest that Ve’ohavto le’reiacho komoicho or Lo thamod al dam reiacho is not your general doctrine.
Kabeil es Haemes Mimi Sheomroi
Jack
By: Jack on 02/12/2010
at 1:59 am
HOW CAN YOU SLEEP WHILE DEATH IS HANGING ON #FlJew RT @Statf: Good night making early night, tomorrow will ask again to save #FLJew.
What would you want if this DEATH SENTENCE would be against YOU? would u say let urself be killed?
By: AshrieNY on 02/12/2010
at 5:18 am
yeah thats it… since this murder happened 25 yrs ago we shoul dnot execute him…
Perhaps if it wasnt for leftist bleeding hearts liek mr. Gestetner, mr. grossman would have been executed 25 yrs ago… as he should have….
By: kg on 02/11/2010
at 6:22 pm
haha. come into Jewish circles and tell anyone that Yossi Gestetner is a bleeding leftist… they will run you out of town! I am known to be on the Right of the issues. I get it over my head time and again for being too Conservative. but hey… am glad you checked in twice…
By: Yossi Gestetner on 02/11/2010
at 6:30 pm
If your so conservative, then why defend a cop killer, Yossi… Plus lets be realistic… if Martin Grossman’s last name was Rodriguez, or hernandez, you wouldnt give a damn about whether Gov. Crist executes him.
By: kg on 02/11/2010
at 7:41 pm
Do you really dont see the diff between a stable, smart person cought red-handed rabbing a bank, turning a gun at cops and going bang bang bang with a great laughter, and runing off with the cash, to the case of Grossman? I AM in favor of the Death Panelty as i wrote a while ago on the TOPICS page. However, it cannot be a blank check.
Regarding Martin being Jewish, vs. Hisponic, let me say this: as far I know, no Jew or very few Jewish ppl were cought up in the Hiait disaster. Regardless, I donated money to afew groups, including to ‘Doctors Without Boarders.’ So… it looks to me that you were jumping at your key-board before knowing more about me or about this case.
Thanks for checking in, and please read my topics page. le-me know how bleeding to the left I am…
By: Yossi Gestetner on 02/11/2010
at 9:14 pm
The case of Martin Grossman, aside from the legal aspects of him not having a fair trial, etc., is that he is somebody who truly turned himself around. If you were told you have a death sentence, would you correct your ways or say “Ah, who cares?”. He was actually corrected in the “correctional system”.
This is the trait that is inherently Jewish and what so many Jews can identify with (although this may apply to non-Jews as well, the actual concept is a Jewish one). The concept of Teshuva – returning to one’s ways is built in to Judaism and even the most irreligious Jews relate to this when we all come to shul every Yom Kiippur. It could be said, a goal of a Jew’s life is live in a constant state of return and to do sincere Teshuva every day in some way!
This is so tragic because here is a Jewish man who has clearly repented, according to his rabbi who has known him for 15 years. Yet his sincere repentance is not being recognized by the legal systems.
They are going by a sentencing from 25 years ago!
This is why there is a need for these arguments that sound like excuses. The bottom line is he is a Jew who has done Teshuva and it appears that he deserves a life of continuing that Teshuva, but not death by the hands of the state. Of course we understand that the only true Judge is G-d and all we can do it pray and do anything physical in our power to help him. This includes writing emails, phone calls, contacting your representative, the local media, the mainstream media, and facebook and twitter.
The message needs to be sent out that Governor Crist should open a case for 60 days. If he is so sure of himself and the courts, then it wouldn’t hurt to keep him alive for 60 more days. It is not fair to not re-evaluate this case.
As a final point, I will mention, it does not seem fair to me that because the victim is a cop, there is a special treatment. From the description of what happened, he did not intend to kill a cop. He seemed frightened and threatened and reacted. If the person who tried to stop him did not carry a badge would that be any different? Based on numerous other murder cases that do not receive the death penalty, it appears that the answer is “yes”, it makes a difference that it was a cop. That is not fair and needs to be evaluated as well.
By: Chaim on 02/11/2010
at 8:47 pm
What does donating money to haiti have to do with executing a cop killer? martin grossman knew exactly what he was doing, hence him telling the officer that he didnt want to go back to jail…
Yossi you disappoint me… once again: if this was martin Hernandez we were talkign about there would be no links to Gov Crist’s office…shame on you!
Everyone makes up excuses…
By: kg on 02/12/2010
at 11:50 am
My point with Haiti was that I helped people regardless the fact that they were not Jews/Jewish. I took this public stand with Grossman because I believe it is the right thing to do, independent his Judaism.
Regarding that he knew he will be in trouble if reported. Well, as I wrote: mentally limited people mostly understand that a Fire is something you move away from, and that one should not walk-off a 25 story building. But to give such a person the death penalty, is not exactly what we should do, especially if you add all other factors.
By: Yossi Gestetner on 02/13/2010
at 7:17 pm
Are you serious? Not a single reason you provided is grounds for letting this man live!
Since when is being on drugs a defense for murder?
Since when is stupidity a defense for murder?
Since when is a police officer supposed to let a criminal go?
Since when is an officer getting killed for not letting a criminal go acceptable?
Since when is 25 years not long enough for caregivers to figure out a suitable appeal?
This guy deserves to fry and the author of this peace should probably be next…
By: Heyyall335 on 02/12/2010
at 7:57 pm
Drugs and mental limitations are indeed used as a defense. Am not saying it works at all times, but indeed it is used.
No one is suggesting that Ms. Parks should have let him go, or what Grossman did was acceptable.
And again: If not for his burglary and violation of that probation (i.e. being a few 100 yards from the designated county), he would NOT have been on the road to death despite the fact that he killed an officer of the law. This proves that killing a cop is NOT an automatic road to hell, certainly not in Florida 25 years ago.
By: Yossi Gestetner on 02/13/2010
at 7:49 pm